Words and music:
Igor Veniaminovich Moshkin

Dialogue with another mind

Tutti intro "Another World"

This is not a gamble. It's really a different world.

Nothing happened for ten minutes.
Suddenly, the hands began to rise, and the hands felt round.
Energy Ball!
The left hand clenched its fingers into a pinch and froze vertically.

Answer, do you hear?

Ask. We are ready to answer...

I want to know more about you, without superstitious assumptions.
Who you are? Another civilization? Life or source of information?

We are just like you. But you are children.

- What is your location?
Earth, solar system or deep space?

We are a different world. Can't be compared.

What dimensions are you in?

- You measure.

- Do you have a measure?

You are a child, we are older.

We want to acquire new knowledge.
Do you have your own habitat planet?

- Not. We are an energy world.

– Does it cover the whole Universe or only the area of ​​the Earth?

- The solar system.

“And you don’t spread to other galaxies?”

- We are in solar system, now we occupy your emotional plan.

- Tell me: is the three-dimensional dimension in which we live, is it not finite?

You are living in 5D right now. But you only use three.

Will there be a time when we realize
that we can use the five dimensions?

“If it wasn’t, then why are you living?”

– How many dimensions, an infinite set?

- You have seven plans. You call it chakras.
You exist in five dimensions.

– And how to imagine the fifth dimension?

The world has no dimensions. You shared it.

– Name the measurement parameters.
We know the length, width, height, time...

.– You are talking about the physical plane. And we are talking about something else.
There are still three in you: ego, spirit and soul.

- It's all about measurements.

- Okay, do you imagine that you are real?

- We present.

- Is the other world a reality for you?

Most of humanity does not recognize him.
It's hard for us to understand. How do you look to yourself?

- We called you an atom for comparison. Imagine an atom.

- It is hard to imagine. But are elements of cooperation possible,
interactions of earthlings with you?

Are we interesting to you as partners?

– You are children… Be careful.
You are talking to yourself, but you are still a child.

– Well, how to rise to the heights of complete understanding?

- If we are talking to you, then you will rise.

- You sometimes call yourself "I".
Are you speaking from yourself or from civilization?

- I repeat. There are at least three of you: ego, spirit and soul.

The ego is you personally. Spirit is your foundation.
We are part of the soul, its component.
We cannot interfere with your physical plane.
We use only your emotions.

- This is the law of cosmic communication, that you cannot interfere,
Or do you just think so?

“You shouldn't interfere even in your neighbor's life.
Are you sure you are doing the right thing?

- No, of course ... Is it far human civilization lagged behind you?

- We will not talk about the level - who is smarter, who is dumber.
Other levels, others. Who is dumber, the dog or you?

I hope it's a dog. Or I'm wrong?

- And if the dog thinks that it is smarter, is it wrong?

But, unfortunately, we don't know...

- Ask...

(Dialogue terminated, session ended.)

Perhaps the most unusual and memorable thing that was in my personal experience many years of ufological research, these are dialogues with the unknown Mind, which the members of the Volga group for the study of anomalous phenomena have been conducting for several years. Contacts were carried out from the end of 1993 and ended in November 1997. We learned a lot about ourselves and about human society.

Yes, there was such an experiment, and it certainly had a special impact on my worldview and attitude to the problem of extraterrestrial civilizations. In the past, a materialist, a radio physicist by education, where there is no place for mysticism, I was convinced that inexplicable phenomena really exist, they are not invented at all and require, if possible, in-depth analysis and study. The mere fact that for four years we communicated with the unknown Mind, received interesting information and quite sensible answers to their questions, suggests that the true truth about intelligence in space is still unknown to people. Imagine: the religions of most countries of the world proclaim the postulate of humanity as the only intelligent civilization in the universe - and few argue with this. And we, the Volga group, have accumulated, as evidence of a different point of view, more than a hundred tapes with conversations with an unknown Mind, which obviously surpasses each of us not only in awareness, but also in the power of intellect.

Four years of communication with the Other Mind! Perhaps this was perhaps the most interesting thing in our activities ... At least for that period.

The access to telepathic contact with the Other Sphere of Consciousness - this is how this mysterious phenomenon was designated in the scientific world - occurred at the end of December 1993. Members of the Volga group Georgy Gubin and Gennady Kharitonov (they were 26-27 years old at the time) experimented by influencing each other with the help of hypnosis. At some point, Kharitonov suddenly entered a trance state.

I should note that at that time we were well aware of the achievements of the "Group 2" from Dalnegorsk, Primorsky Krai. The group was led by a graduate of Tomsk State University, a chemist by education A. G. Glaz. Alexander Georgievich, possessing a hypnotic gift, managed to use the method of isolating his information-energy counterpart from the human body to establish a telepathic connection with the extraterrestrial Mind. They started their first experiments in 1985, and in 1990, at the classes of the Tomsk school-seminar “Fast-flowing non-periodic phenomena in environment» Alexander announced the results of the experiment for the first time. I remember that the audience was incredulous about his report of communication sessions with several extraterrestrial civilizations, although they were confirmed by a huge number of tape recordings. The information received was very diverse, differed in extraordinary content, but none of the scientists were interested in it. The kids just didn't believe it.

A feature of the contacts of Primorye ufologists was that the so-called intermediary was used for communication - a trained member of the group, through which communication took place, which made it possible to record dialogues on a tape recorder. I met with A. G. Glaz in Tomsk, had long conversations with him on the technique of making contacts, so the members of the Volga group were aware of the peculiarities of this kind of telepathic communication. Of course, I did not expect one thing - that we would also get a similar approach to contact.

In touch - another world

... When Kharitonov, unexpectedly for those present, entered a state of trance (lying on the couch, eyes closed, did not respond to questions, remarks), he, raising his hands, became a brush right hand make movements, as if writing with an invisible pen. Gubin guessed to insert a pencil into his fingers, brought a cardboard with a piece of paper, but from the written scribbles it was possible to make out only one word. And at some point, an annoyed Hera loudly asked: “Gena, well, tell me in words!”

And Gennady spoke ... However, it was not his speech. The timbre of the voice was preserved, but the intonation, expressiveness, and especially the meaning of what was said were completely unusual. The conversation lasted about thirty minutes, after which Gennady came out of the trance on his own, and then it turned out that he did not remember anything from the dialogue and did not realize that he was in self-hypnosis.

“In the following days, the young people continued their studies, gradually improving the technique of entering and exiting a trance. From an invisible conversation partner they received helpful tips on the technique of establishing a stable connection during contacts. The advice was related to a special psychological attitude to contact, keeping count from 1 to 9 to set the rhythm of the movement of the hand, mandatory washing before and after the contact session, and other necessary conditions. To exit the contact, a countdown was given from 9 to 1. It should be emphasized once again that these techniques were prompted by an invisible counterparty

Soon the guys guessed to connect the equipment and recorded the conversation on a tape recorder. The recording was given to me to listen to. The meaning of what he heard shook the imagination. In the mysterious interlocutor, a remarkable intellect was guessed, the answers were always logical, the speech was interesting, short and literary almost impeccable. But the voice is well known - the voice of Gena Kharitonov. True, in everyday life he never spoke like that! Artistic notes were clearly heard here - a special expressiveness of words, good diction, even some edification in intonation. No, Gena doesn't say that!..

It became clear that there was a contact with the Other Mind, and in some respects it turned out to be of better quality than it was, say, with Alexander Glaz. At least the speech was more intelligible and clear than the seaside "Group 2" did. Someone unknown, invisible, was talking, using Kharitonov's voice as a kind of instrument. From his words one could understand that we are dealing with a representative of the "Energy World". We have not achieved a more precise definition of this civilization or sphere of consciousness.

Very soon, I joined the conversations with Something...

We are not alone in space

Yes, I remember that day well - January 7, 1994. It was non-working, it was the Christmas holiday.

All day I prepared questions, playing the script of the conversation in my head. It could not take place or be the last, and therefore, taking advantage of the moment, I wanted to find out as much as possible. There were more than a hundred and fifty questions, and they did not end. I remember that my mood was uncomfortable and somehow lost: we lived in a great power disintegrated into fragments, everywhere post-Soviet timelessness and devastation everywhere you look ... Even the place for dialogue with extraterrestrial intelligence was chosen quite irrationally: a construction trailer in a wasteland near a multi-storey building being built in the city of Volzhsky along Mira Street. Gena worked here as a night watchman, and during his duty it was more convenient for us to have these strange conversations with a different Mind.

... We lit a candle, prepared a tape recorder for recording. Gena took off his glasses, unfastened the watch bracelet from his hand, lay down on the bench next to the table, at which Gubin and I sat. Will the session work this time, in the presence of a new person? The guy was embarrassed, smiling with restraint. He settled himself comfortably on the bench, put his hands along the body, under the head of the quilted jacket. Everyone was silent, only the flame of a candle crackled softly.

Nothing happened for ten minutes. Gena breathed sleepily, sometimes screwed up his eyes, his eyeballs moved behind closed eyelids. Suddenly, both of his hands began to slowly rise, reached a vertical position, his hands were feeling something round. “Energy ball,” Hera whispered in my ear, “it always starts like this…” Meanwhile left hand Gennady squeezed her fingers into a pinch and froze vertically, and the right one timidly, with stops, began to make pendulum movements.

Later we were told that oscillatory movements hands are necessary during contact because THEIR energy is foreign to our brain, and thus it is protected from it. Contact is not possible. Therefore, they occupy the human brain with simple mechanical work (hand movement), while they themselves use the natural capabilities of the brain: memory, speech, hearing, vocabulary"translator".

What topics were discussed during the contacts? The choice was very wide and sometimes unexpected for us, when our interlocutor took the initiative. Here are some of the topics: "The origin of man", "Life after death", "The nature of some anomalous phenomena", "Questions on the Bible", "The origin of some diseases", "Parallel worlds", "EC experiments on Earth", "History of the USSR ”, “Sleep and dreams”, “Artificial Christmas trees”, “Questions about the essence of time”, “About viruses”, “About the problem Tunguska meteorite”, “Geopathic zones” and many others. It is interesting that our interlocutor (for the first time!) refused to answer a series of questions about the Moon, its origin and the presence of CC bases on it. He said that he "cannot dispose of other people's secrets", and asked to change the subject.

Curiously, our enigmatic partner always warned us not to use any names during the sessions. He motivated this by the fact that by doing so we, as it were, set up "beacons" on which "the wrong forces" can come out - one can suffer severely from them. We were by no means always able to do without names, and every time this caused criticism in our address. Apparently, the alien interlocutor knew much better than us and imagined what dangers might follow.

Gradually, we began to form hypotheses about the nature of the contact. According to one of them, our probable partner could not even be an extraterrestrial Mind or extraterrestrial civilization, and the soul or spirit of man as a permanent and immortal substance. It was during that period that we began to call the nature of contacts the Other Sphere of Consciousness. The soul can really store huge information accumulated as a result of countless cycles of reincarnation and understand a lot about the nature of the planet, man and the cosmos, and perhaps we are in vain inclined to attribute these properties exclusively to extraterrestrial Intelligence? What if we were indeed talking to ourselves, but without a blocked memory? Although, on the other hand, the dialogues often demonstrated knowledge about other civilizations and about the Mind in space in general! So we still could not completely exclude the idea of ​​participation of the EC in the dialogues.

Until future times

Our contacts faded at the end of 1997. The reason, most likely, is that we began to repeat ourselves with questions, did not move forward, stomped on the spot. We tried to connect other people, scientists, including those from Moscow, to the contacts, but at best they only sent us their questions. And the majority simply did not believe that such contacts could exist.

Probably, at some point we became uninteresting to our counterparts. Contacts were often interrupted, resumed with difficulty, and then stopped altogether.

At the same time, a striking phenomenon was discovered in the translator: he lost the memory of the entire period of contacts. All four years of our sessions were completely erased from the memory of Gennady Kharitonov, although any other impressions, deeds and worries over the same years remained untouched. were not damaged and Creative skills: he was well versed in the most complex electronic circuits, assembled the first computer in our city, continued to write fiction stories to which he devoted much time. Even came to the attention of Boris Strugatsky, sending him fantasy stories.

The fact of selective erasure of memory in a member of our group once again speaks of the possibilities of the Mind with which we came into contact, and also that contact of this kind is a very real phenomenon in our society and, like everything real, but incomprehensible, should be carefully and soberly studied . In any case, I am personally interested in the possibilities that contacts with the Other Consciousness bring to people and humanity. In any case, there is a Mind of a different nature than the one we are used to in our everyday life.

For a person whose spirit is open to the knowledge of the Unknown, a serious conversation on this topic can be instructive.

“I remember this day well - January 7, 1994. He was not working, although according to the calendar it was Friday. The Russians got used to celebrating a new sovereign holiday - Christmas.

On this day, January 7th, for the first time I had to participate in a conversation with an unknown mind, a dialogue with which, and most importantly its content, shortly before that, we listened to the recording on a simple cheap tape recorder. The meaning of what he heard shook the imagination! In the mysterious interlocutor, a remarkable intellect was guessed, the answers were always logical, the speech was interesting, short and literary almost impeccable. But the voice - the voice was well known: the timbre easily betrayed Gennady Kharitonov, a member of our AL study group. True, in everyday life he never spoke like that! Artistic notes were clearly heard here - a special expressiveness of words, good diction, even some edification in intonation. No, Gena doesn't say that!..

Someone unknown, invisible, was talking, using Kharitonov's voice as a kind of instrument.

On January 7, in the evening, I myself had to enter into a dialogue with this mysterious Something and solve a number of burning questions for myself. First of all, this is not a prank. Secondly, that this is really a different world. Thirdly, that this is not a random episode and communication can be continued.

All day I prepared questions, playing the script of the conversation in my head. It could not take place or be the last, and therefore, taking advantage of the moment, I wanted to find out as much as possible. There were more than a hundred and fifty questions, and they were not depleted. All day I felt like a crew member from Tolstoy's Aelita, ready to launch to Mars. 192 .. the year, a revolutionary inter-time, a country ravaged by war, and two eccentrics, an engineer Los and a Red Army soldier Gusev, fly into the unknown ...

Something similar happened now, seven decades later. A great power disintegrated into fragments, post-Soviet stagnation and devastation everywhere you look... Even a place for dialogue with extraterrestrial intelligence matches the workshop of Los: a construction trailer on a vacant lot near a multi-storey building being built in Volzhsky on Mira Street. Gena worked as a night watchman, and during his shifts it was convenient for us to have these strange conversations with the other world. True, several times later communication sessions were disrupted for a very prosaic reason: due to drunkenness of construction workers who chose a trailer for completely different, table conversations with inevitable quarrels, obscenities and a showdown. The cave age coexisted and almost coexisted with the 21st or 22nd century, I don’t know exactly when dialogues with the Higher Mind will become commonplace.

But if there, in “Aelita”, all the events were the purest water fantasy, beautiful fiction, then here ... here was a mysterious, incomprehensible reality, in which they would not believe for a long time. At least until people en masse realize the presence and plurality of other worlds and understand that it is possible to communicate with them.

How did it all start? How was the contact established?

It was initiated by Gera Gubin, a twenty-six-year-old worker, a well-known radio amateur in the Volga, who had joined our group with Kharitonov two years before. And here is their achievement: contact ...

From the confused story of Gubin, who showed me their first tape recordings of conversations with Nekto, it turned out that he and Kharitonov, while while away the night hours of duty in the trailer, tried to make psychographic contact. To do this, they tried to use hypnosis, but it seems that Gennady did not need it, since he easily entered a kind of trance, and his hand began to move quickly, as if writing down a text. They inserted a pen into the pinch, brought a cardboard with white paper, and then individual words began to appear on it. But all the text remained, as a rule, an illegible set of scrawls. Gera asked questions, and Gennady's hand was deducing something in response.

And at some point, Gera, without making out anything on a sheet of paper, asked a friend to answer in a voice, and suddenly Kharitonov ... spoke! He answered clearly and at the same time not in the way he usually spoke. A question, another question... The answers were not his, not Khariton's, Gera already knew a friend, they had been inseparable since childhood. Someone else spoke in the voice of Gennady, maybe some kind of extraterrestrial civilization! ..

For several December nights in 1993, they only did this - they talked with an unknown interlocutor about anything, however, without writing down the essence, until they guessed to connect a microphone. At the same time, Gennady remained a passive person in contact, since after conversations in a trance he did not remember anything. He only saw some pictures that were indirectly somehow related to the topic of conversation.

As far as I know, negotiations were carried out in a similar way by members of the so-called “Group-2” from the Far Eastern city of Dalnegorsk. In 1990, I met with the head of "Group-2" Alexander Glaz at a seminar in Tomsk, and we listened all night to Alexander's story and fragments of tape recordings, of which there were a lot. They also communicated through an intermediary! But in Dalnegorsk, hypnosis was used. The mediator himself was in a somnambulistic state, completely disconnected from the outside world. Even his speech was unnatural, slowed down, through force, and, most importantly, not very intelligible. And yet I remember with what amazement and attention we listened to it, since it was not a speech of a person - the other world communicated with people through an intermediary!

We understood that this was a breakthrough, a new and important step in the knowledge of other worlds, proving their existence in some other dimensions.

Later, at the meetings of the Volzhan group, I spoke more than once about the achievements of the Dalnegorsk people, we tried to listen to illegible recordings of A. Glaz's conversations, but we ourselves did not try to repeat the experiment.

It seems that Gubin and Kharitonov succeeded ...

DIALOGUE WITH THE INVISIBLE. START...

We lit a candle, prepared a tape recorder for recording. Gena took off his glasses, unfastened the watch bracelet from his hand, lay down on the bench next to the table, at which Gubin and I sat. Will the session work this time, in the presence of a new person? Gena was embarrassed, smiling with restraint. He settled himself comfortably on the bench, put his hands along the body, under the head of the quilted jacket. Everyone was silent, only the flame of a candle crackled softly.

Nothing happened for ten minutes. Gena breathed sleepily, sometimes screwed up his eyes, his eyeballs moved behind closed eyelids. Suddenly, both of his hands began to slowly rise, reached a vertical position, his hands were feeling something round. “Energy ball,” Hera whispered in my ear, “it always starts like this...” Meanwhile, Gennady's left hand squeezed his fingers into a pinch and froze vertically, and his right hand timidly, with stops, began to make pendulum movements.

“One, two, three, four…” Gubin began counting, setting the rhythm for the movement of his hand. “Can you hear us?”

The answer was silence.

Again the count and again the quiet question of Hera: “Answer: can you hear us?”

Suddenly Kharitonov's lips parted and he distinctly said: “Ask. We are ready to answer...”

I pressed the tape recorder:

Today is January 7th, nineteen o'clock in the evening. We have many questions for you different directions world order, life, science, religion. I would like to count on the understanding of this interest in your civilization. In my opinion, there is a huge scope for cooperation here. To begin with, I would like to know more about you, so as not to speculate and not be afraid of superstitious assumptions. So who are you? Another civilization, another life or a single source of information?

We are just like you. But you are kids...

- What is your place of residence: the Earth, the solar system or deep space?

We are a different world. You can't compare here.

What dimensions are you in?

- Are you measuring...

- I see... You don't have the concept of dimension?

You are a child, we are older. We are here to teach you. If you want, you teach yourself. This is the condition of contact and the condition of the experiment that you set up.

We would like to acquire new knowledge faster. Maybe now is the time to ask for your help.

- Can you name a period when our help was not needed?

- Yes, we find it difficult ... Probably, she was always needed. Do you have your own habitat planet?

- Not. We are an energy world.

– Does it cover the whole Universe or only the area of ​​the Earth?

- The solar system.

“You don’t spread to other galaxies?”

– No, you didn’t understand: we are in the solar system, and now we occupy your physical plane, namely, the emotional one.

- Tell me: is the three-dimensional dimension in which we live, is it not finite?

These are your stories. You are now living in the fifth dimension. But you only use three.

– Will there be a time when we realize that we can use all five dimensions?

- The question is meaningless. If it wasn't, then why are you living?

– How many dimensions, an infinite set?

- You have seven plans. You know it, you call it chakras. You now exist in five dimensions. Is this news to you?

- To some extent, yes. I thought the fourth dimension was time. And how to represent the fifth dimension?

The world has no dimensions. But you shared it. Initially you were divided into five worlds.

– Name the parameters of these measurements. We know the length, width, height, time...

You are talking about the physical plane. We're talking about something else. There are at least three things in you: ego, spirit and soul. Religion doesn't lie here.

- All the same, about the measurements ...

- Okay, let's do this: do you imagine that you are real?

- We present.

- Is the other world a reality for you?

- A moot point. Most of humanity does not recognize it.

So you don't call him real?

“Even though it exists… So what is reality then?”

What we see and feel.

Reality is one of the points of view. Your world is also otherworldly for someone. Do you agree with this?

- Yes, maybe...

- So you agree that this is just one of the points of view.

- Well, do you have the possibility of material embodiment?

- You don't need it?

“It's hard for us to understand. How do you look to yourself?

- We called you an atom for comparison. Imagine an atom.

- It is hard to imagine. But are elements of cooperation, interaction of earthlings with you possible?

– What are we doing now?

Yes, this is the beginning.

- No, you are wrong: you are not the first, you are not the last.

Are we interesting to you as partners?

– You are children... Be careful. You are talking to yourself, but you are still a child.

– Well, how to rise to the heights of complete understanding?

- If we are talking to you, then you will rise.

- You sometimes call yourself "I". Are you speaking from yourself or from civilization?

- I repeat. There are at least three of you: ego, spirit and soul. The ego is you personally. Spirit is your foundation. We are part of the soul, its component. We cannot interfere with your physical plane. We use only your emotions.

“Is it a law of cosmic communication that you can’t interfere, or do you just think so?”

“You shouldn't interfere even in your neighbor's life. Are you sure you are doing the right thing?

– No, of course... Is human civilization far behind you?

- We will not talk about the level - who is smarter, who is dumber. Other levels, others. Who is dumber, the dog or you?

I hope it's a dog. Or I'm wrong?

- And if the dog thinks that it is smarter, is it wrong?

But, unfortunately, we don't know...

- Ask...

– Does the World Ring of Mind exist and how many civilizations does it include?

- We will not give you ready-made answers, you have to think for yourself. But I will tell you: the world is one, and if there is a Ring, then there are civilizations that do not enter there.

- Earthlings, apparently, do not enter yet?

- In your concept - no. But the baby is starting to walk. Do you think he will become an adult or not?

- Tell me, can such a group as Volzhskaya cooperate with you ...

– What are you doing now?

“...to speed up the progress of mankind?”

– No, we do not speed up, we only help.

"And you're willing to help us?"

- Imagine, you won, won at the expense of other people's merits. Agree that you will lose the joy and taste of victory.

- I agree. But why can't you reach out to the scientific, political, creative elite of states in a similar contact way?

- But these cases are unknown, and it seems that politicians, scientists are very skeptical about any anomalous phenomena and contacts with otherworldly people.

- Many are not given, they have a different charge. And others will never talk about it, because of their high position in society.

- Do the level of knowledge and intellect of ordinary people significantly reduce mutual opportunities in contacts?

- Not? But this is precisely what casts doubt on the usefulness of such contacts. Moreover, they discredit them. When simple people they start talking about contacts, no one believes them.

- Good. Let's do it. Many contacts, in your concept, are false, and you have already met with this in your research. But first: in every lie there is some truth. Second: imagine a patient comes to you and declares himself insane. Who is he - a liar or a lunatic?

“Maybe we need to figure it out.

– Agree that it cannot be at the same time. He cannot be both a liar and a lunatic. Do you agree with this?

- AT this case you are talking logically. Yes, there is no way out. But I'll tell you: a person, as a rule, is illogical, although logic is his forte. And any lie, in your concept, is just one of the unrealized realities.

- Tell me, will you allow me to tell you about the contact situation with you, and how best to do this: through the press, books, or is it better to remain silent?

- It's your problems.

- Many of your answers remind you of contacts with the Dalnegorsk Group-2 ...

- This is not true.

- You don't know about them?

We don't remember them.

– Do you know who is in charge of Group-2? Why did publications about this group abruptly stop?

No, we haven't met with them.

– Do you know the earthly point of view on the existence of the forces of good and light, as well as the forces of evil and darkness? That is, the division of forces is from God and Satan.

– What is darkness? It is one of the components of light. This is a bogus question. We told you that your vision is reality. But reality is one of the points of view. Do you remember? Both God and Satan are real to you. You have a God, in your understanding, we have our own God, in our understanding.

- How fair is the point of view on religion, or is it human prejudice?

– This is one of the visions, one of the points of perception of the world. We told you that lies as such do not exist. If you tell me now that you have a million in your pocket and a Mercedes in the garage, then you are only lying to yourself, because I can believe it, and for me it will be true.

- Tell me, what is the value of a person for you?

He gives birth to us, we give birth to him. We are the whole.

- It's hard to understand ... Tell me, human soul is of particular importance to you?

– Yes, we are part of the soul, we have already told you this.

Is the human soul eternal?

“Even as you understand it, it is eternal.

Can she reincarnate indefinitely?

- This is one of the realities.

But few people believe in it now. And there is no evidence to the contrary.

- It's your problems.

- You do not want to explain to mankind the fallacy of such views?

- What do you do if you are not understood, do not want to listen?

We are looking for evidence, facts that will convince. With a soul, there is little evidence ...

“Nothing will convince you.

“So it’s useless to strive for it?”

- No, but you yourself must believe in it, we will not give you any evidence.

- Let's say I personally believe, but others do not believe. What can be done to ensure that the truth prevails?

What is your desire to be believed?

- Find evidence.

- For what? What is the purpose of this evidence?

- So that humanity does not err.

– Do you think that you are not mistaken and teach all mankind?

“Well, I hope I am not mistaken about the soul. After all, you yourself said that the soul exists and it is eternal.

“But you must understand this. If you believe, then you will understand, but if you only think that you believe, will it give you anything? You lie, you lie to yourself. You are sure that you have a soul, but you are looking for proof. Do you believe in God? Or do you only believe what you see here? Can you explain all your actions?

- No I can not.

“And you want to teach mankind?”

- Well, at least not to wander in the dark. Don't teach, but...

- Everyone has their own way. We told you not to interfere. You can suggest, you can teach, but if you do not have faith, then it is better to leave.

- So-so ... So, there may come a moment in my personal life when I give up on the study of the anomalous as unbearable for my mind and leave the researchers ... Will this be the right way?

“That will be just one of the ways.

“You must learn to believe. This is the first. Everything is given to you through faith. Understand, I'm not talking about religion. Faith is more than religion. Faith is conviction, it is the strength to fight, it is food for the mind. Do you yourself believe in the eternity of the soul?

I doubt it, unfortunately.

- If they believed, then there would be no questions. Did I answer you?

- They answered, but I need evidence for my doubts - then faith will appear.

Nobody will prove anything to you. When a child is taught what is possible and what is not, is it proved to him? And does he understand the evidence?

- There are reproaches, and they are fair, that the contacts do not carry new information. Why?

- Do you know a lot of the old? If you do not know the material covered, how will you understand the new? First. Second, if you don't appreciate the little, why would you give more? Yes, we do not give you anything new. Can you name a contact when you would be given a new one?

- Unfortunately, there are few such contacts, according to statistics, no more than one percent.

- No, there was not a single contact where they would give you a new one. You are given the old, you do not understand.

– But this reduces the interest in contacts and their reliability.

- And how do you give a new one? Do you understand what is new?

- Scientists are advancing in knowledge, they give rise to new ideas.

Do they generate new ideas? They just find old ones. They take them from nature, that is, what has always existed. Your scientists just discover something and call it new, even though it existed before them and without them.

- Everything is correct. We believe that the development of science will be more and more intense. Now humanity is looking for ways to develop new energy. Are there other energies useful to people?

– Are they environmentally safe for mankind?

- There are such and such.

– Will humanity soon take over them, or will we die without waiting?

You are already starting to master them. You are still developing.

- In what countries?

- Leading.

- You're not right. Do you consider yourself a leading power? Well, I'll tell you this: there are nine countries that have already come close to this solution.

- Thermonuclear?

- Not. The thermonuclear was invented by you.

– Psychic energy?

“But can she light cities, move trains?

– Excuse me, one gram of your body radiates tens of millions of times more energy than one gram of the sun. And you have already proven it.

“It is doubtful that we have such energy…”

- Ask...

Is thought really material? Can we do a lot with thought?

“But why doesn’t it work then?”

- Can you control your mind?

- I would like to learn.

Wanting and being able are two different things...

“Will we ever master this, or can some of the Earthlings already?”

“I told you that you would all reach your goal.

"But not soon?"

- Everything depends on you.

- Let's continue. The intensity of contacts in comparison with other epochs on Earth has increased many times over. What are the reasons for this?

- You have a different time. After all, you yourself spoke about the year 2000. First. Second - can you prove that there were no contacts before or there were fewer of them?

But there is little evidence. They called the unique ones: Leonardo da Vinci, Paracelsus... But these are isolated cases, now we hear about contactees much more often.

– Excuse me, earlier there were also many simple contacts, but only bright ones have survived.

Were these people burned at the stake?

- More often - yes.

Is it inevitable or can it be avoided?

- If he is destined, then yes.

- Tell me, are crazy people some kind of unsolved kind of contact or is it really a way out of the mind?

- This is a different vision of reality.

– Can it have useful facets, or is it completely useless for society?

- Everything depends on you.

But we see that it is useless. They do not create, do not promote science, they become a burden on society.

- Then the whole earth is a burden ...

So they are needed too?

- You think. Does animal world? Does the plant world create?

- You're right. By the way, which representatives of the animal world are the highest in intelligence or close to humanity?

- Let's clarify: high or close? If it is high, then we will not answer. We told you that you can't compare.

- Close!

- The closest?

- Yes, you even have the same characters.

- Interesting ... Yes, in some ways this is true: they are cunning, sophisticated, aggressive, they act together. Yes, it seems ... Tell me, what about the civilization of dolphins ...

– You correctly said – civilization. You answered your own question.

“But why don’t we get contacts?”

- You do not want to recognize them as the strongest, you are too proud for this. You want the whole world to live and think like you.

What should be acknowledged?

- Recognize everything as equal.

- And then the contacts will be successful? With whom would you advise to go for such communication from the animal world?

You must go with everyone. If I say dolphins, I will offend the others. I'm not telling you whose mind is superior. So you must be equal with everyone. But the easiest contact you can make is with rats. They are closer to you. And then there are the dolphins.

– But will the rats understand our goals?

“You don't understand each other's goals... The rats won't understand you. But you can contact. We are talking about contacts, not goals. This is the first. Second: you cannot live the way you behave in nature, and I am afraid that rats will replace you.

- We answered you: we help when it's bad.

We're in a bad place right now, don't you think?

- Do you think you're good?

- In Russia, yes, it’s bad, but in other countries, it’s probably better.

- Name the countries where it is good now.

– Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland, USA...

– We told you: the better you are physically, the worse you will be spiritually, and vice versa.

– That is, in spiritual terms, they come to a dead end?

- You're right. Man lives only when he fights.

– Will Russia, undergoing a terrible breakdown, acquire something spiritual?

- You are the future. You are the spiritual center of the Earth.

But few people believe in it. We see the imperfection of our compatriots, the savagery and backwardness of many, many...

- This is one of the advantages. If everything was good for you, you would not grow, you would not fight. Right...

A candle crackles softly on the table, wax flows down the barrel, forming intricate figures. Sometimes, from our breathing or from turning over the pages with my prepared questions for the future, the flame flinches, leans to the sides, and then black shadows begin to rush around the trailer, like the wings of a huge bird.

The reels in the tape cassette were spinning - Hera occasionally looked at their movement in order to change the track in time if the tape ended. Gena was lying on the bench in the same position: his left hand, with fingers clamped to a pinch, raised up and motionless, the right hand rhythmically moves like a pendulum. Judging by how alert, getting ready to change the cassette, Hera, we talk with Something for about 45 minutes. Now he will change the side of the cassette, and for these seconds I should try to interrupt the conversation.

The dialogue goes, surprisingly, evenly, almost without stopping, only occasionally Kharitonov's right hand freezes, and then his speech breaks off in mid-sentence. Hera, apparently already having experience, does not worry about hitches, as I did at first, and immediately starts counting out loud: “One, two three, four…” And so on up to nine. The rhythm remains the same with which Gennady's hand just went with the pendulum. Sometimes the count is repeated several times until the hand moves again and an aloof voice sounds: “Ask ...”

At some point, for some reason, on some intuition, I also connect to the account, and we are already together with Gera, in an undertone we think: “six, seven, eight, nine ...” In my opinion, this reduces pauses in rare stops; Hera also noticed this and nods to me, they say, continue like this.

It surprises me how long Gennady keeps his hand upturned, not getting tired, not trying to change his position, and this non-stop pendulum with his right hand is also something unreal...

Later, in one of the subsequent sessions, our invisible Interlocutor explained to us that the movement of the right hand is a necessary measure in order to be able to use the sense organs of the “translator”: speech, hearing, vocabulary, and maybe some other qualities. . “Translator” THEY called Kharitonov – such was his role in our dialogue, and since from the very beginning THEY insisted that our names, if possible, never be spoken aloud, Gena was designated as Interpreter. “We are an alien energy for your brain,” the Interlocutor explained, “so the brain prevents our invasion. But when we occupy it with purely mechanical work, in this case, pendulum movement, this problem is removed. But sometimes things do go wrong…”

The tape recorder key clicked, Hera quickly changes the side of the cassette. “Ask,” comes the voice of the Invisible Man.

– Forgive us for such a question… We don’t know with whom we are talking, and if you are from the forces of evil, then we have doubts: is God so omnipotent and omnipotent? See what doubts we have...

- I understood you. First, you are a sieve, and, in your concept, lies and truth exist. What is truth? This is one of the visions. Do you agree? You are talking about the power of God and Satan. Can you imagine that God does not know about this? You prove that God is omniscient and omnipresent, and suddenly Satan is doing his work without knowing it?

- Well, it turns out that people exaggerate the possibilities of Satan ...

- Not. The fact is that the world is one. And in your concept, there is no God and Satan, as you see them, because you are on the lower plane. You will be higher, and you will no longer ask such questions. Although there, above, there will already be a different concept of good and evil, and there will also exist good and evil, but in a different understanding.

- Tell me, is there a God as such? Maybe this is the Universal Mind, and we personify it into a person.

“We told you that you are gods yourself. Did I answer you?

“However, this truth is not comprehended by us in any way. We are gods and we can do nothing. Even fight evil, understand the world in volume...

- You are children. If you like, you are the children of the gods. But you will become gods. Think logically.

- It's probably a long process. Thousands or millions of years?

- Everything depends on you. A minute may be enough, or a thousand years may not be enough. Everything depends on you. We call it charge. Otherwise, we cannot explain to you what it is.

– But can you tell who created the Earth, the Galaxy, the cosmos?

But we are not yet gods...

“Okay, let’s go back 15,000 years ago. You have changed the earth. You had a purpose. By changing it and entering into the flesh, you have forgotten the purpose. If I name it to you, then the whole meaning of your existence will be lost.

- It's a secret?

“This is a secret created by you. If you are eternal, how do you ask about the beginning and the end?

- We, by and large, do not know whether they are eternal?

– How can we talk about eternity if you are looking for the beginning and end of eternity? Explain to me. You can explain it to me, then I will explain it to you.

- But our questions are inspired by the fact that now there is a lot of talk about the end of the world, about the possible death of mankind ... Tell me, is it true that on May 5, 2000, a new savior of the world will be born? Is this information correct?

Is this one of the legends?

“That's just not true.

– Is it true that, according to the heavenly inscription in the city of Salsk, the end of the world will come on June 7, 2002?

- Not. You have already repeatedly been the end of the world.

- You're right. Looks like you're following this situation...

–… but the Savior will come, and the Savior is with you. Have you ever thought that God is in you, are you gods yourself? However, when you see him in the flesh, you destroy him. Why?

We probably don't believe...

– You believe in God, you believe in the messiah, but when he comes in the flesh, you destroy him. And those who glorified God, glorified the Messiah, will be destroyed. Why? This is one of our interests that makes us contact you. We do not understand your illogicality.

– Are you talking specifically about the fate of Christ?

- Not only.

– Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed, other initiates… Did they exist?

You don't believe in their existence. You can imagine... By the way, who do you consider the author of your articles - yourself?

Do you know that I write articles?

– The Translator knows this.

– It seems to me that I write articles myself, because they are not easy for me. Do you have a different opinion?

- Good. Who do you interview, is he not the author of the articles?

- I want to say that you write with the whole world. Agree that you write articles depending on your view of the world. So the world is affecting you. This means that the world writes by you or through you. Do you agree?

- I can agree that only that part of the world that supports me in my views. Another criticizes, and there are many of them.

“But you still have a trace of those critics…”

- Yes, I'm looking for arguments ...

- You share again. I say that the whole world writes your articles. You are just a writer.

- Tell me, since we are talking about these articles ... Is this a necessary thing, at least for our city, region? Or are they useless?

- You're not right. A lot of people have come to you thanks to your articles. Or have you already forgotten about it?

No, I really appreciate it. But there is a part of citizens who treat them very aggressively.

- This is your path. Do you want to be carpeted?

- So you have to go through obstacles?

- If they put them on you, then go. Ask…

– Does humanity pose a threat to other civilizations?

- Similar to you? Yes!

“Like those gathered here?” But we don't seem to be aggressive.

We are talking about the physical world.

- And our nuclear tests, nuclear stations - do they interfere with the life of other civilizations?

“You can’t even imagine how much you are destroying!”

– Civilizations?! Are you talking about microbes or other thinking life? Should we be stopped in this part?

- But tell me, what, from your point of view, is the technical path of development for mankind? Is he dumb?

- He is a dead end for everyone.

– And for humanity, and for other civilizations?

– And how to avoid this impasse?

- What is happening now in your time?

- Well, the struggle of those who recognize the technical path of development, and those who believe that it is necessary to go into nature, into the caves. But this is probably impossible.

- Do you understand that to leave the technical world is to go into the caves? You must create machines, but you must not obey them. Machines must obey you.

- Do you think we are already undergoing the process of submission?

- Think for yourself...

- Yes, we are enslaving more and more ...

Machines control you, not you them.

And will it get worse in the future?

- Everything depends on you.

"Can't we rely on your help?"

At this our dialogue was interrupted, the session ended. But then we talked about much and much more with our invisible Interlocutor. For several years of our communication, at least one hundred and fifty hours of tape recordings have accumulated, and they require reflection. But that's a topic for another book. Books about worlds that...

that exist! As a researcher, I have little doubt of this. But was I convincing for the readers?.. I don't know. I know something else - I will look for new evidence and facts of the plurality of worlds. And there is a belief that mankind will not roam in the dark for long... If not for me, then the door will open for others. She will open!